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Posted by: NottaMiata

Posted by: Dev

You also have to consider the fate of electronics.  Capacitors degrade with age and with it comes issues.  Much older cars are immune from this but at the same time older cars do not last as long and require frequent service.  

This is why one day I want to build a Factory 5 so I have complete control over the car and its systems.  There is so much political crap that gets in the way of making a car that they keep mucking it up to save the environment but what they don't realize is that they need to manufacture replacement parts that just adds to the problem because everything needs to be some kind of energy star which pushes  reliability to the edge  that is not sustainable and will need replacement early.  All of this waste ends up on some dolphins nose or in some landfill. 

 If the environmentalists  cared they should be promoting serviceable products that can be retrofitted with better parts as time goes on.  

 

As a card-carrying tree-hugger, I could not agree with you more.

Ignoring my slackness and fear, this idea is why i have zero hesitation to gut my cats or get a catless header.

Simple math tells me that the energy usage (and pollution) needed to completely replace my engine far, far exceeds the extra five minutes of poor emissions per start. That savings will most likely never amount to the toll of building a new powerplant AND disposing of the old one.

It's asinine, and does the entire environmental movement a grave disservice. Nobody wants to poop where they eat, but once youve been scammed a few times, you quit listening completely.

That said, please recycle. Use aluminum and avoid plastic as much as you can.

Yes exactly. Conservation is what is missing here and instead its more and more consumption and their going green campaigns   scaring everyone  into thinking the world is going to end so pay a carbon tax. These same idiots want to keep China making more cheap junk for consumption where they don't follow any hardline green measures. 

Corporations run the same racket of going green and at the same time getting you to keep buying.  

I have an expresso machine that is completely serviceable and its one that actually goes up in value as the years go by because its built well and you can buy every part for it many decades later.  Some vintage things are desired and it is a good thing for everyone if we made stuff that lasts. You might pay more for the quality but in the long run the value returns dividends.  

 Whenever I get into a debate with these climate alarmists and bring up conservation they blue screen.    

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Posted by: NottaMiata

Now, lets not get carried away... the evidence at this point is incontrovertible: we have a problem, humans are causing that problem, and its likely the biggest problem humanity faces currently.

How we deal with it is the question, and yes, the scams, political self-dealing, and lazy, willful ignorance abound. We agree on that point, it seems. But throwing out the baby with the bathwater, or freezing up in the headlights are simply going to seal our fate. When you have a big melanoma on your forehead that you see every day, you either go get it cut off, deny and ignore it (and die), or start making funeral arrangements (and die). Those are the choices: 1, 2a, or 2b.

We are, however, violating the forum rules now. We are way off topic!

I have to reword the rules.  What I meant by keeping on topic is more or less a guideline so people do not devolve into personal attacks otherwise going off topic should be completely acceptable based on Spyderchat culture that we have followed for years. 

In regards to the alarmist, they do a very poor job of selling it especially when their predictions don't come to past and they have been caught in scandal.  I think it is important to have clean tangible things like air, water and people not littering but Im not going to pay for solutions that are not tangible and go to a banking consortium so it can be traded on the sock exchange.  Alarmist have gotten things wrong time and time again. I would like to listen to the other side of the argument which is often demonized and bullied as being  climate change deniers and because they go against the extreme views that are bulling everyone into making them think they don't care when all they are saying is the way the extremists want to solve the problem will have no impact and they dont practice what they preach but want everyone to live poorly while they fly in their meals on their jet aircrafts.  

This is why when I bring up conservation as a solution when someone gives me the brain washed talking point that doing something is better than doing nothing they are left speechless and go back to their phone and do some  Amazon shopping for products that are made by people that are treated poorly in other countries with slave wages and no environmental concerns that they should be boycotting.      

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OK, I really didn't want to jump into this fray but the earth has had climate change throughout its life cycle and has had multiple ice ages and extremely hot weather with periods of relative stability. 

Man does contribute to the CO2 emissions but that is not the only contributing factor, the earth's magnetic poles have shifted and since everything is a function of charge, this changes the weather pattern as much as many of the other pseudo science solutions. 

Oh and just as an FYI, the mass of ice at the poles is essentially the same size but has moved to the new magnetic positions.  

My biggest concern with all of the proposed solutions/suggestions, is we do not know what will happen when we implement these changes and how will these changes affect other climate areas - we seem to have moved away from real science and moved towards pseudo science.

Solar panels trap heat in the black surface area and create huge updrafts due to the very hot temperatures above the panel farm and cooled earth temperature underneath created by the aluminized backside.

Wind turbines remove energy from the normal jet-stream wind patterns and therefore effectively change these climate energy patterns as well.

How do both of these proposed perfect solutions fix our current problem? 

I don't know because both solutions effect the climate as we know it - fact.

I am a proponent of Solar and have a very nice system that I designed for my off-grid cabin, but it is very heavy in maintenance both in cost and time, plus the batteries are a huge environmental concern when disposed - just a few downsides.

Oh, and if you are old enough to remember the ozone holes at the poles during the 70's/80's that was letting all of the heat out of our atmosphere, we banned CFC;s which closed the holes and now we are bitching about increased temperatures...

Just some real world things to think about... 

EDIT:  Highjack over and sorry for the deviation...

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You didn't try to comprehend anything I said, nor have you performed any research other than stating your opinion.

Please read the links below and then try to imagine what could possibly happen if everyone jumps on this bandwagon without thinking it through.

https://weather.com/science/environment/news/solar-energy-contributes-climate-change-study

https://weather.com/news/news/2018-09-07-wind-solar-farms-precipitation-sahara

https://www.nature.com/articles/srep35070

Suggesting solutions without investigating their environmental impact, especially when "Climate" is the mantra, is just plain short sighted.

I am done with this discussion because I must be right wing...

I actually wish there could be a well rounded debate with scientist from both sides presenting their best arguments for the public to see that it is not a black and white argument as there are a lot of grey.  Presenting data, showing where past models were wrong on both sides and wining an argument in the public court of opinion is the best way. That is the only way they can sell it. 

That is what is needed. They do stuff like this in Physics where it can get heated but its how they are able to come to some semblance of reason.  

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Posted by: NottaMiata

One more apology, sincerely, for any insult or illogic on my part stemming from my passion and human fallibility.

No need to apologize, but like I have stated before, there are no free lunches in engineering - every action will create some sort of reaction good or bad.

To not look at this from a purely scientific perspective is just plain stupid and that is what is currently happening with the "Climate Change Mantra" group.

One of the greenest energy sources available is Nuclear but it is not main stream enough to be viable, just saying.

Done with this discussion and moving on to other topics...

I enjoy reading the discussion but to get back on topic since no one's mentioned it yet. The Honda Element is another option. My brother had one and it has lots of utility with Japanese reliability. Also fits into the boxy Scion personality that you currently have.

Posted by: NottaMiata

 

As Dev reminds me, science is a process, and conclusions change as evidence mounts. I remain open minded, and again, I really hope I am wrong.

One more apology, sincerely, for any insult or illogic on my part stemming from my passion and human fallibility.

You don't have to apologize ever for your opinions.   It is important that people are able to express their views and it is a beautiful thing to see because it brings out unbridled passion which can make people think.  Its one of the things that often gets me into trouble and some people take it personally, and hate me for it which I think is just stupid.  We can all agree to disagree even if we perceive it to be  obtuse, however we can also respect one another.   

The reason why I do it, is to sensationalize my stance.  When I said you just castrated your car I bet it hit home with you.  If I would have said something like maybe you can change the tires for something else it wouldn't have that impact.  Sometimes when sharing a passion you need to shake people out of their comfort zone of hypnotic generic opinions that will want to agree with you to make you happy.  

Posted by: neomr2

Man does contribute to the CO2 emissions but that is not the only contributing factor, the earth's magnetic poles have shifted and since everything is a function of charge, this changes the weather pattern as much as many of the other pseudo science solutions. 

Oh and just as an FYI, the mass of ice at the poles is essentially the same size but has moved to the new magnetic positions.  

Some of what you said was true. At a certain point our own bias of confirmation takes over. It is extremely hard to be completely objective. I personally have accepted that humans deserve a state of fatalistic paternalism. Folks like Al Gore are the only people making money off of global warming. The reason nothing will be done to counter the effects documented though the ICC reports is because no one stands to profit from either scenario. We have an ideology which benefits very few at the cost of many.

I know the ICC reports are hard to get through but they are much more substantial than a cherry picked research paper and a few journalist articles.

Nuclear actually can be green buy is using confiscated by bad policy and garbage engineering.

The styling of the Honda element is only a tad nicer than the Fit but I still up-chuck when I see one.

w t f happened to this thread?  lol